What happens when Tories and Labour discuss the NHS
Mon ,10/08/2009This evening I became a little agitated when reading a misleading blog post from a Labour blogger AKA @LabourMatters on Twitter.
It all started when @BevaniteEllie posted the following
RT @labourmatters: Leading Tory MEP: NHS a Marxist mistake impossible to get rid of. http://bit.ly/I9Zrs Denounce Hannan, Cameron, NOW.
As usual this is a bit stark and quite typical of the mass deluded Socialists on Twitter. The blog post appears below so as to preserve the original text as it was during our conversation.
Leading Tory MEP: NHS a Marxist mistake impossible to get rid of
Conservative MEP Daniel Hannan seems to have decided to take his holidays in the USA, but the beach and ice creams are not for this man, instead he’s campaigning against President Obama’s healthcare reforms.
Apparently telling all who will listen, which happens to include the Washington Post, that the NHS is a disaster and the US should “ponder our example, and tremble”.
“You see a grizzly picture of your own country’s possible future… Do not make the same mistakes we have,” he warned. “I see this massive encroachment of the state… this huge power grab by the state machine… squeezing the private sector, to engorge the state.”
In Great Britain, he explained: “It is not uncommon to wait six, 10, even 12 months for a knee operation… It is exactly a Marxist system. You are treated as a supplicant and expected to be grateful for what you get.”
Then, just in case he hadn’t made his lack of support for the NHS, he describes NHS staff as “the electoral block that makes it impossible to get rid of”.
I was intrigued and wanted to see in what context Daniel Hannan had made this last statement. So after Googling Washing Post Hannan I easily found the video (not just a report as the blogger had used).
After seeing the video first hand it was obvious to me that the Labour blogger had been a tad economical with their quoting and so set about to take the task to hand.
Using my alternative account of @Wicksie as I was not logged in initially with @Parlez_me_nTory I set about hoping to put the record straight. After all, this would be a reasoned person, surely.
What follows is the exact account of the conversation, no misquoting, no dishonesty, no lies. I leave it you at the end to make your own mind up. Don’t forget on Twitter you only get 140 characters or less to pass your message. Where you see this [@Wicksie] at the start of a line that indicates who is making the statement, so, for instance I open the conversation.
[@Wicksie] @BevaniteEllie @labourmatters just watched the interview from Fox, the blog post is inaccurate where you mention NHS Staff, you misquoted
[@LabourMatters] @wicksie “We have 1.4 million people employed by the NHS…And that is the electoral bloc that makes it almost impossible to get rid of.”
[@Wicksie] @BevaniteEllie @labourmatters Yet again you selectively quote, try watching the vid http://bit.ly/ZuDEL The ppl will decide about the PLP!
I then followed this up with a ReTweet (RT) from my other account:
[@Parlez_me_nTory] RT @wicksie: @BevaniteEllie @labourmatters Again you selectively quote, watch the vid http://bit.ly/ZuDEL The ppl will decide about the PLP!
[@LabourMatters] @wicksie Video (last 41sec) or the transcript say the same: http://bit.ly/Tl6Cp No misquote.
There was surely an alternative video. It would appear there was one for Labour to watch and one for Tories to watch, at least if you believe good old @LabourMatters!
[@Wicksie] @labourmatters Try reading w/out your spin hat, it is a reference to management/beaurocracy. I stand by my interjection!
[@LabourMatters] @wicksie Read what was said! 1.4m staff are the electoral bloc preventing getting rid of the NHS, not managers in NHS. Nice try though.
I sense they’re getting a little upset at this point at having been caught out with selective spin.
[@Wicksie] @labourmatters It’s not a try, it’s not a game, misquoting is tantamount to deception, outrageous
[@Wicksie] @labourmatters concentrate and concentrate hard: We have 1.4 million people employed by the National Health Service.
[@Wicksie] @labourmatters It is the third biggest employer in the world after the Red Army in China and the Indian National Railways.
[@Wicksie] @labourmatters Most of those 1.4 million people are administrators, that the managers outnumber the doctors and nurses. And that is…
[@Wicksie] @labourmatters …the electoral bloc that makes it almost impossible to get rid of. That’s the entire quote, intact in order, now be honest
[@LabourMatters] @wicksie Not a very gracious loser are you?
What? Where did that come from? If you have no point to make move along please, nothing to see here.
[@Wicksie] @labourmatters What’s lost? Politics and the NHS is not a game. You misquoted you were corrected
[@Parlez_me_nTory] RT @wicksie: @labourmatters What’s lost? Politics and the NHS is not a game. You misquoted you were corrected
[@LabourMatters] @wicksie @Parlez_me_nTory There was no misquote and therefore no correction. It’s perfectly clear in my transcript link and your video.
[@Parlez_me_nTory] @labourmatters @Parlez_me_nTory You won’t listen 2 reason or honesty, u prefer spin & dishonesty. You and your party deserve each other
I decided to terminate the conversation there. It was obvious that @LabourMatters did not like being caught out with their selective spin and that having someone challenge them threw up one or two barriers in the way of their ability so they resorted to attempted intimidation with belittling @Wicksie, the skin’s a tad too tough for that to be successful though.
There is a lesson here though voters of the land. Do not trust those that have been in power for the past 12 years and who will do anything to cling on to it.

